{"id":712,"date":"2014-07-11T03:13:15","date_gmt":"2014-07-11T07:13:15","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/wcarss.ca\/log\/?p=712"},"modified":"2014-07-11T03:30:31","modified_gmt":"2014-07-11T07:30:31","slug":"lets-figure-out-mailing-lists","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/wcarss.ca\/log\/2014\/07\/lets-figure-out-mailing-lists\/","title":{"rendered":"Let&#8217;s figure out mailing lists."},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I don&#8217;t really use mailing lists, but I have often seen references to their utility.<\/p>\n<p>This is a bit of an exercise in trialling a research methodology out. I&#8217;m interested in making a program to help me do this, but I&#8217;m going to try just writing all the stuff I think I want to save in a database down in a blogpost, and see how cumbersome it is. I already do a lot of this in my head, but I sometimes decide not to bother, because no one can see what I have only done in my head.<\/p>\n<h1>Topic: Mailing Lists<\/h1>\n<h2>Questions:<\/h2>\n<ol>\n<li>I don&#8217;t know what program (if any) is required to use (read: participate in) them effectively, or at all.\u00a0I don&#8217;t particularly like using gmail these days &#8212; I have thousands of unread messages.<\/li>\n<li>I don&#8217;t know what a good set of mailing lists would be to subscribe to.<\/li>\n<li>I don&#8217;t know how to find them.<\/li>\n<li>I don&#8217;t know what etiquette prevails on them<\/li>\n<li>I don&#8217;t know how multiple threads are kept running or how to not let them overwhelm me. (in other words: how to <em>manage<\/em> them)<\/li>\n<li>I don&#8217;t know what I don&#8217;t know.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<h2>Links:<\/h2>\n<ol>\n<li>From a google search for &#8220;using mailing lists&#8221;:\n<ol>\n<li>http:\/\/www.livinginternet.com\/l\/lu.htm<\/li>\n<li>http:\/\/manuals.kerio.com\/kms\/en\/sect-mlistusage.html<\/li>\n<li>http:\/\/manuals.kerio.com\/kms\/en\/sect-mlistusage.html<\/li>\n<li>http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Mailing_list<\/li>\n<li>http:\/\/programmers.stackexchange.com\/questions\/71148\/why-do-programmers-still-use-mailing-lists<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<\/li>\n<li>From a google search for &#8220;reading mailing lists&#8221;:\n<ol>\n<li>http:\/\/softwarerecs.stackexchange.com\/questions\/3213\/client-for-reading-several-big-mailing-lists<\/li>\n<li>http:\/\/stackoverflow.com\/questions\/351318\/best-practices-to-follow-read-large-mailing-lists<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<h2>Know:<\/h2>\n<ul>\n<li>I know that mailing lists have smart people discussing interesting things on them<\/li>\n<li>I know that I could just subscribe to a given one (probably by emailing it) and start getting messages.<\/li>\n<li>I know that I would probably get a lot of messages if I subscribed to more than a few active lists.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Hmmmm. Neat. So, in flushing out the things I know and the things I think I need to figure out, an important truth has been discovered: <strong>I already know how to use mailing lists sufficiently well.<\/strong> I mean, goodness, I use them at work every day. For some reason, mailing lists in the wild just seemed like a different beast to me.<\/p>\n<p>My questions are more about &#8220;how to be a power user of these&#8221; than &#8220;how do they even work&#8221; &#8212; but even there, I think I have a fair grasp.\u00a0For example:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>I know that etiquette will be somewhat variable between lists and the kind of thing you just have to feel out.<\/li>\n<li>I know that I can find lists by going to programming language or project sites and finding their information out, or asking in an associated IRC channel if one exists.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>I do <strong>not<\/strong> know how to manage them or what I don&#8217;t know.<\/p>\n<h2>Want To Know<\/h2>\n<ul>\n<li>I want to know how to manage them effectively.<\/li>\n<li>I want to know what I don&#8217;t know, haha. I&#8217;ll keep an open mind on this.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h2>Learning<\/h2>\n<p>This shift in &#8216;what I want to know&#8217; suggests I should perhaps issue a new google query, &#8216;how to manage mailing lists&#8217; rather than &#8216;how to use mailing lists&#8217;. A google search for that shows why it is a bad idea: most people who search that are looking to manage a list, not manage their interaction with several lists. After a few more trial queries, I landed on the simple &#8220;reading mailing lists&#8221;, which gave me links 2A and 2B.<\/p>\n<p>2B is a little worthless and short, but 2A looks like the kind of goldmine I was looking for, and it&#8217;s also telling me something I&#8217;d wondered: a specific client, like mutt, may be my best option.<\/p>\n<h2>Analysis<\/h2>\n<p>I think I can&#8217;t actually know super practically what managing them entails until I start trying, so maybe I should just subscribe to a bunch and see how it goes. If gmail fails me, and I can&#8217;t find anything out there, I&#8217;ll can build something that solves my problems. The suggestion of trying mutt is likely where I&#8217;ll turn to first once I run into a problem, but it might be nice not to have to boot a vm to read mail (I use windows on my home laptop.)<\/p>\n<p>Thanks for bearing with me through this slightly silly experiment.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I don&#8217;t really use mailing lists, but I have often seen references to their utility. This is a bit of an exercise in trialling a research methodology out. I&#8217;m interested in making a program to help me do this, but I&#8217;m going to try just writing all the stuff I think I want to save [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":[],"categories":[1],"tags":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/wcarss.ca\/log\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/712"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/wcarss.ca\/log\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/wcarss.ca\/log\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/wcarss.ca\/log\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/wcarss.ca\/log\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=712"}],"version-history":[{"count":3,"href":"https:\/\/wcarss.ca\/log\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/712\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":715,"href":"https:\/\/wcarss.ca\/log\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/712\/revisions\/715"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/wcarss.ca\/log\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=712"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/wcarss.ca\/log\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=712"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/wcarss.ca\/log\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=712"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}